lIST, This is serious. ALL I want out of you is how to refine the qquestion.estion.qestion.wisecracks. They are for a separate threads and moderators Humor: Sure, I'll listen,probably participate. In fact, I"ve already got a pun. But not on this list. Our BDFL frowns, and I am a Przbetarian.. You can't solve a problem if you don't know it exists.