[Novalug] Wild Blue - RE: Novalug Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12

Beverstock, David M. dbeverst@nsf.gov
Fri Jan 6 14:05:08 EST 2012


James,

Thanks for the education!  This was 2 years ago when I visited them. They aren't heavy computer users, a little email is really all they do.

Dave

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Today's Topics:

   1. JOB OP: PHP developers needed (Ken Kauffman)
   2. January Meeting-- Go or No GO (VOTE !) (greg pryzby)
   3. Re: January Meeting-- Go or No GO (VOTE !) (Mark A. Metz)
   4. Re: Rural Internet (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd)
   5. Re: Root login hangs (Paul W. Frields)
   6. Re: OT landline phone service,	carriers other than Verizon?
      (James Ewing Cottrell 3rd)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:46:04 -0500
From: Ken Kauffman <kkauffman@headfog.com>
Subject: [Novalug] JOB OP: PHP developers needed
To: NOVALUG <novalug@calypso.tux.org>
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1-2 junior-mid level PHP developers.  Understanding of PHP secure designs.  Government contract.  Immediate need.  Location Ft. Belvoir.  Possible long term.  Secret clearance preferred.

Send resume and references directly to kkauffman (at) celerity (doc) com.

Thanks

Ken K

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:28:41 -0500
From: greg pryzby <greg@pryzby.org>
Subject: [Novalug] January Meeting-- Go or No GO (VOTE !)
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We need to decide if we are going to meet a week from Saturday on 14 January 2012. A number of regulars will be in Blacksburg, VA at FUDCon.

Jason (our host) has commitments but can find a sponsor (or depending on size we can meet next door at Red Hat.

So,
   DO WE MEET ON 14 JANUARY?
   IF SO, WHO IS SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT?

Vote here:
    http://novalug.com/node/260

Or on the list.

I will tally the votes on 9 January.

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:52:33 -0500
From: "Mark A. Metz" <mametz@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Novalug] January Meeting-- Go or No GO (VOTE !)
To: novalug@calypso.tux.org
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Extremely doubtful attendance for me.  I'm nursing my wife who had surgery on Tuesday, and has her follow up on the 17th.


On 01/05/2012 09:28 PM, greg pryzby wrote:
> We need to decide if we are going to meet a week from Saturday on 14
> January 2012. A number of regulars will be in Blacksburg, VA at
> FUDCon.
>
> Jason (our host) has commitments but can find a sponsor (or depending
> on size we can meet next door at Red Hat.
>
> So,
>     DO WE MEET ON 14 JANUARY?
>     IF SO, WHO IS SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT?
>
> Vote here:
>      http://novalug.com/node/260
>
> Or on the list.
>
> I will tally the votes on 9 January.
>



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 01:18:24 -0500
From: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd <JECottrell3@Comcast.NET>
Subject: Re: [Novalug] Rural Internet
To: novalug@calypso.tux.org
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I used to work at NRTC.COOP. We ran a Linux cluster that supported about 
150K customers at 300 rural Telcos and Electric Companies mail and web 
services. Wild Blue was one of our partners.

The best thing that can be said for Wild Blue is that they aren't 
HughesNet. Both of those companies have "Fair Use Policies" that 
prohibit you from using "Too Much" of the Bandwidth. At the time, their 
satellite bandwidth was running out

Our customers were always complaining about getting "FAP'ed", so they 
were more interested in numbers of customers served. If you went over, 
they would simply stop servicing you. Paying more to use more wasn't an 
option.

That was 5 years ago...one can only hope that they are better about 
things now.

Still, I wish someone would take these companies to Court. If you 
actually divide their FAP Limit by their Bandwidth, you only get to use 
their service for about half an hour each day.

JIM

P.S. Note that I am speaking of Wild Blue and HugheNet here, not NRTC. 
In the Heartlands, even AOL can be a Long Distance Call, so we were a 
nice alternative for many people.

On 1/5/2012 2:29 PM, Beverstock, David M. wrote:
> I think I'm coming into the middle of the thread here, hope this isn't way off base.
>
> I have friends on cattle ranch in Co that use blue sky, http://blueskysatelliteinternet.com/ .
>
> They love it.
>
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>     1. Re: OT landline phone service,	carriers other than Verizon?
>        (Miles D. Oliver)
>     2. Re: OY: Google gone bad? (Dave Aronson)
>     3. Re: OY: Google gone bad? (Andrew Beals)
>     4. Re: OT landline phone service,	carriers other than Verizon?
>        (Stephen Cicirelli)
>     5. Re: OT landline phone service,	carriers other than Verizon?
>        (Stephen Cicirelli)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:15:36 -0500
> From: "Miles D. Oliver"<miles.d.oliver@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Novalug] OT landline phone service,	carriers other than
> 	Verizon?
> To: Dan Arico<dan_arico@aricosystems.com>
> Cc: novalug@calypso.tux.org
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> All this is good stuff.   I'm still searching for alternatives and the more
> I understand the better off I'll be in knowing what options I have.
>
> If I understand what I am seeing right on the electrical poles down the Cedar Creek Grade (the main road off my subdivision) the nearest anything on the poles that looks like a cable connection is more than 6 miles up the road from me.  I'm more than 13K feet from the telephone CO so there will be NO alternatives to my WISP, DirecTV, and copper for the phone line for the forseeable future.
>
> I'm gathering vendors and trying to get the time to investigate. We'd love a more cost effective solution
>
> I do appreciate all the input.  We love living far out but it has its disadvantages like the limited communications options.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Dan Arico<dan_arico@aricosystems.com>wrote:
>
>>> What I would love to see is some real competition in cable the way
>>> there is in your phone service. Sure the ILEC owns the wires but you
>>> can get lots of competitive service over that same pair once it hits
>>> the Central Office. I wonder why they can't do the same with CableTV?
>>>
>>> Nick
>> Exclusive franchises.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> --
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>> all, and in the Darkness bind them, In the land of Redmond, where the
>> Sales Reps lie.
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> From: Dave Aronson<tux2dave@davearonson.com>
> Subject: Re: [Novalug] OY: Google gone bad?
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> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 02:42, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd<JECottrell3@comcast.net>  wrote:
>
>> Google is the Anti-Robert Frost.
> Could be worse.  It could be the (non-anti) Robert Burns ("Searching instead for /gang aft aglay/.  Click here to search for /don't turn out as we hoped/").  Or the Charles Dodgson ("Searching instead for /frabjous day callooh callay/.  Click here to search for /havin a awesum day w00h00/").
>
> -Dave
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> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:22:58 -0600
> From: Andrew Beals<andrew.beals@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Novalug] OY: Google gone bad?
> To: novalug@calypso.tux.org
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> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Bonnie Dalzell<bdalzell@qis.net>  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012, Jeremy Hoel wrote:
>>
>>   I didn't know that!  Thank you for sharing.
>>> Is there another search engine you moved too or just back to BIG G.
>>>
>> One of the things I have noticed recently is that Google is INSISTING on
>> correcting what it thinks are spelling errors before doing a search. It
>> used to suggest but search for what you had entered. Since dog registered
>> names are often spelled in cute or odd mode having the correction forced on
>> you is a pain.
>>
>>
> And their silent changing from +thisISwhatImeant to "thisISwhatImeant" did
> not help matters one bit.
>
> Even with the + notation about a year ago, Google insisted that it knew
> better than I did when I was trying to do a search for +trad.
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> From: Stephen Cicirelli<scicirelli@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Novalug] OT landline phone service,	carriers other than
> 	Verizon?
> To: Nick Danger<nick@hackermonkey.com>
> Cc: novalug@calypso.tux.org
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> They CAN, but the FCC said the don't have to, much as they said the
> ILEC doesn't have to share fiber lines.  This is supposed to promote
> the expansion of high speed network connectivity.  The ILEC is
> required to provide wholesale rates to CLECs but it doesn't mean the
> CLECs need to play.
>
> Frankly I don't see why they don't reverse their position on this (OK,
> lobbying is probably why) when it has been shown, in the overseas
> markets, that sharing the lines promotes greater penetration of high
> speed access the allowing exclusive rights.
>
> Just my two cents, and general irritation.
> Stephen
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Nick Danger<nick@hackermonkey.com>  wrote:
>> On 01/03/2012 05:56 PM, How7 wrote:
>>> All this BS...
>>> Don't you miss the good old "Phone Company"?
>>> One stop shop that has everything... in military grade.
>>> I would probably not still be on dialup either.
>> No, I don't miss the "Ma Bell" at all. One; I wouldn't be employed :-)
>> and Two: I doubt any ILEC would have rolled out *DSL service to anyone
>> when they could have charged you $$$ for ISDN service. And who knows
>> what they would charge for T1/T3 etc etc. Competition, at least it terms
>> of pure bandwidth per dollar, has so far been a good thing.
>>
>> What I would love to see is some real competition in cable the way there
>> is in your phone service. Sure the ILEC owns the wires but you can get
>> lots of competitive service over that same pair once it hits the Central
>> Office. I wonder why they can't do the same with CableTV?
>>
>> Nick
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:27:28 -0500
> From: Stephen Cicirelli<scicirelli@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Novalug] OT landline phone service,	carriers other than
> 	Verizon?
> To: Nick Danger<nick@hackermonkey.com>
> Cc: novalug@calypso.tux.org
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> To clarify, required to provide wholesale rates on copper
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Stephen Cicirelli<scicirelli@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> They CAN, but the FCC said the don't have to, much as they said the
>> ILEC doesn't have to share fiber lines. ?This is supposed to promote
>> the expansion of high speed network connectivity. ?The ILEC is
>> required to provide wholesale rates to CLECs but it doesn't mean the
>> CLECs need to play.
>>
>> Frankly I don't see why they don't reverse their position on this (OK,
>> lobbying is probably why) when it has been shown, in the overseas
>> markets, that sharing the lines promotes greater penetration of high
>> speed access the allowing exclusive rights.
>>
>> Just my two cents, and general irritation.
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Nick Danger<nick@hackermonkey.com>  wrote:
>>> On 01/03/2012 05:56 PM, How7 wrote:
>>>> All this BS...
>>>> Don't you miss the good old "Phone Company"?
>>>> One stop shop that has everything... in military grade.
>>>> I would probably not still be on dialup either.
>>> No, I don't miss the "Ma Bell" at all. One; I wouldn't be employed :-)
>>> and Two: I doubt any ILEC would have rolled out *DSL service to anyone
>>> when they could have charged you $$$ for ISDN service. And who knows
>>> what they would charge for T1/T3 etc etc. Competition, at least it terms
>>> of pure bandwidth per dollar, has so far been a good thing.
>>>
>>> What I would love to see is some real competition in cable the way there
>>> is in your phone service. Sure the ILEC owns the wires but you can get
>>> lots of competitive service over that same pair once it hits the Central
>>> Office. I wonder why they can't do the same with CableTV?
>>>
>>> Nick
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:30:25 -0500
From: "Paul W. Frields" <stickster@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Novalug] Root login hangs
To: novalug@calypso.tux.org
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On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:26:00AM -0500, daniel wrote:
> On 01/05/2012 07:23 AM, Ed James wrote:
> > Bleh.  machine worked fine yesterday, but today, when I log into
> > the Fedora GUI screen as root, the screen blanks and the system
> > hangs.  However, I *can* log into the gnome GUI as a regular user,
> > open up a console emulator, and su (to root).
> >
> > Question -  is there something in the /root dir that can be removed
> > or reset or copied from a user account that might fix the problem?
> > I'm thinking of some of the ".files" in the /root dir in particular.
> >
> > Ironically, it's my older dev machine that I'm in the process of
> > figuring out exactly what I've still got on it and moving it to
> > a newer pair of machines.
> >
> Well, you can always try to log in as root using the GUI then switch 
> over to a text screen to log in as root and then check to see what is 
> running and that kinda thing.  (You know, dmesg, /var/log/messages, top, 
> etc)
> 
> There could be some sort of restriction for login as root in place.  
> Doing root in the GUI is discouraged and all you know.

It is indeed.  There are too many ways that a root X login can be
exploited to make it a good idea.  If this is a newer Fedora
(F15/F16), you can edit your account (using the "me" entry at the
upper right of the GNOME desktop) to make yourself an administrator.
This simplifies running some tools -- essentially it adds you to the
"%wheel" group which has sudo access behind the scenes IIRC.

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:53:56 -0500
From: James Ewing Cottrell 3rd <JECottrell3@Comcast.NET>
Subject: Re: [Novalug] OT landline phone service,	carriers other than
	Verizon?
To: novalug@calypso.tux.org
Message-ID: <4F06FCF4.20802@Comcast.NET>
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I think you answered your own question. Utilities and Regulation are out 
of favor now, and Lobbying and Privatization are in. The goal is not to 
maximize Profits, not Expansion of High Speed Networks.

JIM

On 1/4/2012 10:26 AM, Stephen Cicirelli wrote:
> They CAN, but the FCC said the don't have to, much as they said the
> ILEC doesn't have to share fiber lines.  This is supposed to promote
> the expansion of high speed network connectivity.  The ILEC is
> required to provide wholesale rates to CLECs but it doesn't mean the
> CLECs need to play.
>
> Frankly I don't see why they don't reverse their position on this (OK,
> lobbying is probably why) when it has been shown, in the overseas
> markets, that sharing the lines promotes greater penetration of high
> speed access the allowing exclusive rights.
>
> Just my two cents, and general irritation.
> Stephen
>
>



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