[Novalug] Fwd: CentOS 6

jerry w jerrywone@gmail.com
Thu Feb 16 07:54:08 EST 2012


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From: jerry w <jerrywone@gmail.com>
Date: 2012/2/15
Subject: Re: [Novalug] CentOS 6
To: Nick Danger <nick@hackermonkey.com>


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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Nick Danger <nick@hackermonkey.com> wrote:
> You can say the same claim about any certification,
> be it a drivers license
> or a black belt.

I wasn't going to do drivers license,
but since you brought it up...

> We are supposed to believe that some
> badge of honor means you have skill set X.
> Thats not to say someone can't HAVE skill set X
> without that badge, and that everyone with that
> badge is really good at skill set X.
> There are always ways to game the system,
> and always people who pass but still aren't the best.
> I don't think that devalues the effort, or
> the usefulness. It just means you have to check.
>

> And I'm still really confused about how the NDA
> comes into play.

> You think the cerfication is not valid because someone
> can't reveal the exact question they took
> when they passed?
>

Say they took the test and found some questions
unfair?  Or just plain wrong?  Or interpretted
it differently, say from another language or
liguistically, or by point of view?
Can't say that either...

Also, say you worked for a company
and the compnay said you could not
say your salary?  Or be fired?

In what cases do you need to tell
your salary?

Looking for another job?

But, also, on applications for a house,
car, fostering, clearance, etc?

Who has priority?
At some point you won't be able
to say anything...


It's kind of like a gag order
without the full authority, IMO.

Freedom of speech also counts...

Say I wanted to write about the exam
process, and someone gave me
$3k to take the class and the test,
then I could not write the article
describing a problem question,
or nothing at all perhaps...

I've paid for the class, I've paid
for the exam, I've done home/class
work (Theoretically) but can't say
anything about what I was asked?
I'm beholden to a company...

Say MicroSoft Buys Red Hat
in a nasty take over
(or Novell, Oracle/ whatever)
and enforces it differently?

Or competitor wants my tech
skills in developing a certification
process for Arduinos,
and later sues for something
similar on another process...

Like software patents,
somewhat evil by nature,
and surprised RH used that
tool when working on
and making money with FLOSS.

> And if you want a good RH guy,
> then a RHCE might mean something.
> If you want a good Ubuntu guy,
> then maybe the RHCE isn't want
> you are looking for, exactly.
> I wouldn't hire a truck driver to drive a fork lift,
> even if they are similar.
>

Are they teamsters?
One of the union guys,
a buddy of mine,
can probably help.. ;-/

We went out back and he showed the
particulars on the fork lift,
I tried it on the weekend and
I'm good to go...

Then someone go hurt...
Not Fork Lift certified, didn't
call Miss Utility, whatever
ran over a biker, etc...

Being a good guy has little
to do with skill...

(OK I'm tired now and should
not be operating heavy
equipment... Even if my buddy
came in after drinking,
and I tried to help him out,
returning the favor.)

> Nick
>
>
> On 02/15/2012 07:24 AM, jerry w wrote:
>>
>> Frankly, Yes, having had clearance...
>> And probably Why I feel that way too...
>>
>> Critical thinking has always been a plus
>> to me.
>>
>> If I were interviewing someone (and Have
>> a long time ago, contractors) and they
>> said they signed an NDA, I'd probably
>> ask why?  Well, needed a job,
>> I saw a test that most thought was
>> worth while, the NDA was only on the
>> test, so I'm patent encumbered on that,
>> blah, blah blah, at least they have
>> thought it through some...
>>
>> Pluses, and minuses, and what effects
>> does it have?  Well, mad skilz on
>> RH, have you looked at Debian based?
>> What about embedded skills?
>> etc...  I would not want answers
>> just along the $party line,
>> "well the company doesn't support x,y,z"
>> Think of ways it could be done,
>> and some of what effects the lack of
>> support would have...
>>
>>
>> It would Not be a deal breaker,
>> but I'm sick of the MOUS type training
>> disabled people get, here is how to
>> become a clerk, without any awareness
>> of anything else out there (LibreOffice
>> which you can give to others Free,
>> contribute back, etc)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Michael Hans<mhans@oqtol.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> So by those standards anyone who has or had a security clearance
>>> (integrity in theory = job requirement ) is questionable to you right?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:48 AM, jerry w<jerrywone@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess that is part of my issue with them,
>>>> that it's a $work thing, and many are hobbyists,
>>>> the commercialization, and the business
>>>> side of stuff...
>>>>
>>>> It makes a second class of Linux people,
>>>> company reps, but not really,
>>>> where once there was Linus, kernel hackers,
>>>> developers, admins, and old farts such
>>>> as myself, essentially on the retirement plan...
>>>>
>>>> I think the hands on part of the test
>>>> is probably good, and I haven't compared
>>>> it with LPI or other distro agnostic/ neutral tests,
>>>> as I came up in computers before all that,
>>>> A+, Security+, etc...
>>>>
>>>> Those tests will never really test creativity,
>>>> nor abstinence from alcohol/drugs,
>>>> nor intelligence which is generally known
>>>> to be a culturally biased
>>>> performance measure.
>>>>
>>>> And anyone signing an NDA,
>>>> I'd quesion their integrity,
>>>> as if cashing in on integritiy,
>>>> and a reuseable carbon based widget
>>>> for sale for the highest bidder,
>>>> <ducks>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Nick Danger<nick@hackermonkey.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in the middle of RH300 right now. And some of the below is
>>>>> correct,
>>>>> there is lots of stuff I have never used before. But then its still
>>>>> useful and I probably SHOULD know it if I am claiming to be an RHCE, so
>>>>> its not useless info. (Not that he said it was, just want to point that
>>>>> out!)
>>>>>
>>>>> No hardware yet, and nothing obnoxious like a 64bit cd for a 32bit
>>>>> hardware ;-) So far the in class exercises and test have been a 50/50
>>>>> mix of "I've seen this before" and "Yikes, thats kinda weird." But in 2
>>>>> days I've picked up at least 4 things I want to do back at work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/14/2012 03:49 PM, jecottrell3@comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, paying out of pocket is tough...I would second others that the
>>>>>> best advice is...Take The Class...but now you're talking $2500 instead of
>>>>>> $700. BTW, there are classes that you can take online, which will get you
>>>>>> down to $1500. Of course, the RHCE Prep (Jang?) is always good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing that should help is that if you fail the RHCE test you can
>>>>>> still get an RHCT out of it if you do well enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One problem I see with the test is that they test you on everything
>>>>>> that is possible, not just stull that you normally do every day. So if you
>>>>>> never intend to set up an Encrypted Filesystem or use SELinux, you will be
>>>>>> tested on them anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never taken the RHCE Practicals, but one company did throw one
>>>>>> at me. My advice there would be to Assume Nothing. Indeed, I had to open up
>>>>>> the chassis to find out that the Molex connector to the disk was unplugged.
>>>>>> I asked first, as I wasn't sure whether it was part of the test or not. I
>>>>>> received the answer "Go ahead if you think it's necessary". With the RHCE I
>>>>>> would guess that they probably don't mess with Hardware, but the idea is
>>>>>> still the same...be careful about your assumptions. For example, you might
>>>>>> only get a 64-bit DVD for a 32-bit System; you may be expected to ask for
>>>>>> the correct media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JIM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Dan Lavu"<dan@lavu.net>
>>>>>> To: "greg pryzby"<greg@pryzby.org>
>>>>>> Cc: "NOVALUG"<novalug@calypso.tux.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:59:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Novalug] CentOS 6
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback, I know about the NDA and I wasn't asking for
>>>>>> specifics. I was really hoping for study tips or just some reassurance
>>>>>> that I won't bomb the exam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I could take the class but unfortunately I'm paying out of
>>>>>> pocket.
>>>>>> I reviewed the exam objectives and read Michael Jang's book. I'm more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> comfortable with most of the material. Heck, I started using Linux
>>>>>> back in
>>>>>> 1995, just so I could host a quake server. Next thing I know, I wanted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> design a clan website which lead to apache and dns. As soon as I got a
>>>>>> glimpse of how dns relates to mail, I decided to set up mail server
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> fun. My first job out of high school was a NOC Operator for an ISP,
>>>>>> remember Erols? Anyways I'm definitely getting off topic... really I'm
>>>>>> just nervous about the exam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/12 6:24 PM, "greg pryzby"<greg@pryzby.org>    wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Miles answered correctly-- you sign an NDA and can't discuss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you not taking the class? It is very helpful for the hands-on and
>>>>>>> to understand the questions and structure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You will be told things before the test. LISTEN and do them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Dan Lavu<dan@lavu.net>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speaking of the exam, I have my RHCSA and RHCE scheduled for
>>>>>>>> February
>>>>>>>> 24th
>>>>>>>> and this is the first time I'm taking them, any study suggestions?
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> gone
>>>>>>>> through all the study material on the website, I can comfortably do
>>>>>>>> 85%
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the tasks. Right now I'm just going through and playing around with
>>>>>>>> commands, getting more comfortable with luks, selinux and just stuff
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> donšt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> use on a daily basis. Thanks for any advice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: novalug-bounces@calypso.tux.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:novalug-bounces@calypso.tux.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> miles.d.oliver@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:07 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Jay Hart; novalug@calypso.tux.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Novalug] CentOS 6
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Running Centos 6.2 server at home now. Use it for RHCE training.
>>>>>>>> Gotta
>>>>>>>> re-up
>>>>>>>> this year and its a good place to start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So yes. Its still alive and kicking.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jay Hart<jhart@kevla.org>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm going to assume that CentOS is alive and kicking???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>>>
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