[Novalug] Traveling - use Alpine for mail - can't get send to work

James Ewing Cottrell 3rd JECottrell3@Comcast.NET
Sun Nov 14 18:12:42 EST 2010


  While an SSH would definitely let them know who you are, many sites 
use a similar but different method: POP before SMTP.
You "log on" by submitting your username and password to the POP server. 
You have to attempt to "Get New Mail", and their
mail server notes that your IP address "belongs to a customer". You 
usually get a window in which to send outgoing mails,
anywhere from 5 or 10 minutes up to a few hours.

Also note that if you are using WiFi, you may have to use the WiFi's 
SMTP gateway.

JIM

On 11/13/2010 7:27 AM, bdalzell@qis.net wrote:
> OK so I am not a known user for the local isp. I used to be able to
> acceess alpine mail by doing a ssh to qis.net but I left my notes at
> home on how to do that.
>
> something like ssh -l user name
> (this does not actually work of course :-( i have something wrong
>
> help on this would be useful
>
> you have no idea how annoying this webmail interface it - almost as
> bad as windoze
>
> incidently my host was trying to play a video on his windoze computer
> and the thing would not load and play - kept asking to install updates
> on realplayer
>
> when we installed the updates it kept asking to install (more  ?)
> updates but I had no problem with getting it to play on Ubuntu
>
> Quoting Beartooth<beartooth@Beartooth.Info>:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Clif Flynt wrote:
>>
>>>>> If any one has an idea of why I cannot send mail with Alpine
>>>>> although I can receive it I would appreciate a hint. Using
>>>>> the QIS Webmail interface is worse than using windows
>>   	[....]
>>>> I suspect your alpine is set to send email through your
>>>> ISP's outgoing mail handler.  If it is like Verizon's,
>>>> the outgoing mail handler will not accept transmissions
>>>> from outside its own network.  I.e. the handler will
>>>> start subscriber's mail on its way, but will not serve
>>>> as an intermediate relay for non-subscribers mail.
>>>   I'd bet this is right.  If you can set a 'smart-mailer'
>>> or 'smart-host' value in alpine (not the mail delivery agent
>>> I use) to your friend's ISP things might be more happy.
>>   	Fwiw, I just took a look. My Alpine on the remote machine
>> that hosts Beartooth.info M>  S>  C shows the line below :
>>
>> SMTP Server (for sending)           =<No Value Set>
>>
>> while the one on my own machine has
>>
>> SMTP Server (for sending)           =
>> smtp.comcast.net/novalidate-cert/submit
>>
>>   	My guess is that both Comcast's and Netwisp's computers
>> care very little about my settings, and a whole lot about whether
>> I'm a known customer.
>>
>> --
>> Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert
>> What do they know of country, who only country know?
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