[Novalug] [Ma-linux] FIOS available: should I?

James Ewing Cottrell 3rd JECottrell3@Comcast.NET
Sun Jul 25 16:19:07 EDT 2010


Options? You have none. You have End User Class Service, not Business 
Class. No Servers For You!

What kind of Special Connections did you want?

But seriously, if you put their router behind yours, there is no way 
they will attempt to fix anything. Nor would I.

If you think of their box simply as a Cable Modem, you will be much 
happier. The wire out of your WAN Port on your internal router is where 
"The Internet" starts. All their stuff is a Black Box. Whatever your 
router tells you about traffic out the WAN Port, that is what their box 
is doing. And when you are testing, I presume you are only using one 
internal host at a time.

JIM

On 7/25/2010 10:25 AM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
> We're all talking on a Linux User Group mailing list, so it seems a
> safe bet that many of the users here are interested in more advanced
> options.  The Verizon supplied router offers only a few.
>
> You want to be able to look at logs because you want to know why the
> little blinky LED light is blinking like crazy and your connection is
> being slow.  Or because you're trying to setup a special connection
> with somewhere else on the Internet and it's Not Working.  Easier to
> know whether it's your equipment's fault if you can tcpdump.
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
> <JECottrell3@comcast.net>  wrote:
>    
>> Firewalls? Your own router is probably doing NAT anyway, so no connections
>> can be made unless you open them or provide explicit forwarding rules. A
>> router should not be doing DNS. It's not hard to set up your own caching
>> server. Or run dnsmasq with Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as forwarders.
>>
>> Why would I want to look at logs?!? Are you a router geek? Besides, their
>> packet counts should be identical to the ones in your own router since there
>> is no place else to go.
>>
>> Still, it's disconcerting that their routers aren't better. Maybe you can
>> get the equipment they use for Business Internet but just pay for the home
>> service?!?
>>
>> JIM
>>
>> On 7/24/2010 2:02 PM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
>>
>> One good reason to supply your own equipment is that theirs (Verizon's
>> router) is junk.  Get over about 40-50 connections and the thing will
>> start to freeze up.
>>
>> Another is so that you can have fine grained control over your
>> connection.  The Actiontec router can do simple firewalling, but
>> that's it.  You can't even really log the traffic that's flowing
>> through it - you're stuck with packet counts and rough bandwidth
>> figures.  It reminds me of the old school Ciscos.
>>
>> -kpd
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:22 PM, James Ewing Cottrell 3rd
>> <JECottrell3@comcast.net>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> What is the motivation. There is the concept of the Demarc(ation Point).
>> Everything on My Side belongs to Me and Everything on Their Side belongs to
>> Them. So why not put your router behind theirs?
>>
>> I live in MD too, so I have Comcast, and they call their new "cable modem"
>> box an EMTA, which does Internet, Phone, and TV.
>>
>> The EMTA connects to my internal Linksys Wireless Router via an Ethernet
>> cable.
>>
>> The only reason I'd want their box in front of mine is if the EMTA did port
>> filtering there, but I doubt that is the case.
>>
>> JIM
>>
>> On 7/22/2010 8:40 AM, Kevin Dwyer wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Joseph Brinkley
>> <brinkley.joseph@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> My issue with FiOS is the proprietary hardware. I want to use my Expensive
>> Cisco Router i put DD-WRT on :)
>>
>>
>>
>> It can be done; I've seen the complicated version in person.  If you
>> don't need cable, it's pretty simple to replace the VZ router.  If you
>> do need cable, there is a complicated setup that still keeps the VZ
>> router alive for the cable boxes but puts your router in control of
>> the traffic.
>>
>> -kpd
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