[Novalug] Wow Linux does rule!

Norman Bird steelpulsefan@gmail.com
Fri Jul 25 13:44:29 EDT 2008


None of these "money is our god" companies will do anything without monatery
incentive. Linux being intune with the theme of God, giving and helping your
fellow man, is not playing the same game they are. But maybe there is a way
instead of money for Linux to say, "Hey, so many people use our distro, we
will put in a trial version" and off the trials some will chose to buy, ergo
your greedy butts will make this.




On 7/25/08, Ken Kauffman <kkauffman@headfog.com> wrote:
>
> In the ideal world, you would select a single platform to standardize on
> *if it meets all your business goals*.  Because we have choice, the
> *options* for integration need to exist.  Windows is simply requrired many
> times because the tools you need to do your job are only available on that
> platform.  So the integration piece is a necessity.  If the penguin was
> *perfect* in this regard, then it makes *adoption* and *support* much
> easier and less costly.
>
> I would argue that the statement quoted does not include a full evaluation
> and alignment of corporate/business goals, but is more of a piecemeal
> approach to solving a specific problem.
>
> This is competition.  In competition, your objective is to beat the leader
> in order to win.  MS is the 800 lb gorilla.  So it's not up to them to
> adapt, its the competition that needs to do it as good or better.  This
> whole thinking that "MS should change" has got to disappear in the minds of
> the Linux community.  The real thinking is identifying where the shortcoming
> are in the Linux world and adapting and doing it better.  In many regards
> that is already happening, but there are some realities where it does not.
> Apple is doing this much better right now.
>
> Linux companies need to start forging relationships with software vendors
> to make Linux even more viable ... and not just at the server level.  For
> instance, Apple came back strong and now Quicken for Mac is available.  I'm
> pretty sure that Intuit didn't just say "hey, lets make it for the Mac
> because they are cool."   I guarantee Apple engaged them.   Is it so much to
> ask for RedHat, SuSE and/or Ubuntu provide support and potentially capital
> to make these types of things happen.  If Quickbooks was available for
> Linux, I would migrate completely to Linux in a heartbeat.  (I independently
> support some small businesses).
>
> Ken
>
>  On 2008-07-25, Raul Parra <raul.parra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure if I get the meaning of this line:
>>
>> "... but just try to set it up in a mostly Windows environment as a domain
>> controller.  The point-and-click install in Windows Server is light years
>> ahead ..."
>>
>> Should the penguin strive to be "perfect" in a WIN environment or have
>> some compatibility? Can we attempt to do the opposite - run a WIN domain
>> controller in a *nix environment and expect similar results?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Daniel Copeland <
>> daniel.l.copeland@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I tend to not immediately go "linux fanboy" mode, and understand that not
>>> every OS can be everything to everybody.  Linux is fun to play with and
>>> learn, and makes great server systems, but just try to set it up in a mostly
>>> Windows environment as a domain controller.  The point-and-click install in
>>> Windows Server is light years ahead of hand-editing samba and other config
>>> files.  I will not say it's the most secure or stable, but from working in
>>> the contracting business, I have learned that labor time is the most
>>> expensive part of a project.  And although I am not a Mac user, I am sure
>>> there are things OS X can do that the others can't.  Same with BSD.
>>>
>>> Every one of these has a niche it performs best in.  I would'nt say one
>>> "rocks" or "rules" over the other.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Ken Kauffman <kkauffman@headfog.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So does Linux truly "rule" -- or does it more "rock" than "rule"?
>>>>
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On 2008-07-23, Alvin Smith <mezzenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> indeed
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Norman Bird <steelpulsefan@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Wow! I am having so much fun with Debian today. I got past that
>>>>>> problem with apt-get not working. I just reinstalled and this time installed
>>>>>> gnome because I had success with the synaptic packager in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyway, i have my server back up and well on the way to being
>>>>>> configured. webserver, mysql, php ssh, rsync. I now know how to configure a
>>>>>> back up of my files so I wont loose everything. I installed ETCH on another
>>>>>> box I had which had a briken fedora 8 on it. now I will use for backing up
>>>>>> files from my main box. It had like 3 scsi HD's on it. it took a while, but
>>>>>> i figured out out to partition and select file systems on them. before i
>>>>>> only did the default ...all on one disk thing, but not this time. ive
>>>>>> mounted one with /, other with /home and the final one with /var/www to back
>>>>>> up my webserver files.  prior to today  i could not do any of that. I
>>>>>> learned how to mount drives and cdrom. before i was kinda clueless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I first started the install with the DVD's I got from debian magazine.
>>>>>> ($14). I'll never do that again. all kinds of problems. first, when you use
>>>>>> the dvd's the x.server does not work and you have to configure by hand. but
>>>>>> with the netinstall cd gui is fine and gnome loads with no problem. dont ask
>>>>>> me why. and also during the install there were like 2 files that kept being
>>>>>> reported as, get this "corrupt"  vim-tiny and some other library file. not
>>>>>> with netinstall. dvd was just a lot of problems.  i also found that instead
>>>>>> of just hitting enter at cd prompt during install start, type installgui. it
>>>>>> gives a better interface where you can go back and forth a lot better.
>>>>>> especiall when partioning the harddrive. i had options that werent there
>>>>>> with the default version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now i use another etch box for file backup insted of trying to use
>>>>>> samba with windows. and etch makes it automatic for you to connect to your
>>>>>> windows machine when you enter the windows domain during install, MSHOME.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So basically i spent all dat working with my 2 etch boxes, but im a
>>>>>> lot more knowledgable that i was yesterday. i can handle a lot more stuff on
>>>>>> my own now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> debian rules!
>>>>>>
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